Well here i am again, it's Sunday evening, i thought i made a breakthrough but NO WAY. I saw the name of an ancestor on a family tree but when i tried to research her, nothing. Dead end once again. I have come to accept either the records are wrong or my ancestor gave himself a new identity when he emigrated to Australia. What shall i do next, should i just end off my research or keep trying, everybody tells me i have the wrong information but i am only going on what my ancestor put on his papers, so they can stop blaming ME.
I guess i will go on to the next family ancestor, what bad luck, those are in Ireland too, don't like
my chances.
I got stuck on my english ancestors and can go no further.
I guess i am stuck all the way around now.
WHY DID I START MY RESEARCH
Well, that is because i wanted to try and find some ancestor who perhaps had the same traits as i do. In my own family i don't feel like a belong, i don't connect up with anbody and some relatives are very mean to me, demanding to know why i don't care about my family. Well it is not true that i do not care, but, when a parent finds it easy to love 4 children and not the other, something has to be wrong. My own daughters have commented to me on numerous occasions that my mum only liked my siblings, even my husband said he saw how i was treated differently. My parents did everything for my sons but nothing for my daughters. I went to her funeral and her sister had the gaul to go up me when she did not speak to her sister (my mum) for over 40 years, she must have been feeling guilty, i guess. No need to take it out on me.
Maybe i need a new project because clearly this one did not end well.
I feel a great sense of disappointment, like i still do not belong anywhere.
Has anybody ever heard of Dr Marie Crowley, the archivist and historian who wrote a book
called Brothers and Sisters and Box Trees, about the Crowly Family of Trundle, NSW. I read her book, it was very interesting, My family say we are related to that family, but i cannot see how.
They are the kind of family you would love to be connected to.
My next post will be on an entirely different subject.
Sunday, June 30, 2013
Thursday, June 27, 2013
ANCESTRY HELP
anybody out there who can help me with finding info on my elusive
ancestors.
James David CROWLEY b. 1837, Kilrittain, Cork, Ireland
he emigrated to Australia in 1868 on "southern cross".
Married Catherine CAMERON in 1873 in Victoria.
He died 1900 Corowa, NSW, buried by an undertaker and 2
witnesses and i believe buried in an unmarked grave.
Death Certificate states he was 47, which is untrue.
His parents listed as David Crowley and Catherine
Mehegan.
QUESTION: Where did the information on his death
certificate come from, who provided that?
What happened to his children, i guess they didn't see him
again after he deserted them in approximately 1888 or 1889.
James Duncan CROWLEY married to Ellen LAWLOR (my
grandparents), he grew up with Duncan and Flora Buchanan
CAMERON.
James Duncan CROWLEY was a devoted husband and family
man, who was kind, fair, loved his 46 grandchildren dearly,
a good story teller, great sense of humour. He died on my
19th Birthday.
OTHER ANCESTOR:
Thomas LAWLOR and Catherine MURPHY, haven't been able
to find much out about them either.
I have heard not nice stories about my granny Ellen Lawlor CROWLEY,
but to me she was always lovely, i remember her with great fondness even
if i am unhappy about the way my mother was treated by her. My
mother was shunned because she was not a Catholic, granny wouldn't
go to their wedding and never came to our house, even though it was
just a couple of miles away. My late dad used to always say to me
"granny always loved you but hated your religion", she had special
rosary beads for me and everytime i went therei had to say Hail Mary with her. Cousins tell me that granny used to say nasty things about her grandchildren to other grandchildren, i never experienced that so i cannot say.
I remember going to her house a lot when i was growing up.
Sometimes she used to let me brush her longsilver hair.
I remember she always sat at the same place at the kitchen
table, wore dark clothing and always wore black lace-up boots.
I have a picture of Catherine CAMERON, have heard unsavoury
stories about her too, but i never knew her, so i cannot say anything.
I surmise that Duncan and Flora CAMERON were lovely decent
people by the way my grandpa JD Crowley turned out and how he
treated people, a beautiful soul of a man.
ancestors.
James David CROWLEY b. 1837, Kilrittain, Cork, Ireland
he emigrated to Australia in 1868 on "southern cross".
Married Catherine CAMERON in 1873 in Victoria.
He died 1900 Corowa, NSW, buried by an undertaker and 2
witnesses and i believe buried in an unmarked grave.
Death Certificate states he was 47, which is untrue.
His parents listed as David Crowley and Catherine
Mehegan.
QUESTION: Where did the information on his death
certificate come from, who provided that?
What happened to his children, i guess they didn't see him
again after he deserted them in approximately 1888 or 1889.
James Duncan CROWLEY married to Ellen LAWLOR (my
grandparents), he grew up with Duncan and Flora Buchanan
CAMERON.
James Duncan CROWLEY was a devoted husband and family
man, who was kind, fair, loved his 46 grandchildren dearly,
a good story teller, great sense of humour. He died on my
19th Birthday.
OTHER ANCESTOR:
Thomas LAWLOR and Catherine MURPHY, haven't been able
to find much out about them either.
I have heard not nice stories about my granny Ellen Lawlor CROWLEY,
but to me she was always lovely, i remember her with great fondness even
if i am unhappy about the way my mother was treated by her. My
mother was shunned because she was not a Catholic, granny wouldn't
go to their wedding and never came to our house, even though it was
just a couple of miles away. My late dad used to always say to me
"granny always loved you but hated your religion", she had special
rosary beads for me and everytime i went therei had to say Hail Mary with her. Cousins tell me that granny used to say nasty things about her grandchildren to other grandchildren, i never experienced that so i cannot say.
I remember going to her house a lot when i was growing up.
Sometimes she used to let me brush her longsilver hair.
I remember she always sat at the same place at the kitchen
table, wore dark clothing and always wore black lace-up boots.
I have a picture of Catherine CAMERON, have heard unsavoury
stories about her too, but i never knew her, so i cannot say anything.
I surmise that Duncan and Flora CAMERON were lovely decent
people by the way my grandpa JD Crowley turned out and how he
treated people, a beautiful soul of a man.
OTHER ANCESTORS
Moving on to other ancestors now, more road blocks and secrecy.
Here goes....i found out through researching that one of my ancestors
passed away in Kenmore Asylum, where he was admitted five months
before his demise. I had never heard of this person before, i knew
lots about his siblings but not him. I found his unmarked grave and
went there to pay my respects. The family story goes that he was
kicked in the head by a horse and was never the same again.
I find this story highly suspicious, because why would that need
boundless efforts to keep it from people. I have my own thoughs but
of course have no proof. I tried to get access to his records as i wanted
to build up a story about my ancestor, not to say anything negative
about him. They refused as he still has living relatives whom i
know would never give permission to me. I just wanted to know
why he was in Kenmore in the first place. They had an inquest into
his death which in itself sounds fishy. The said they took him to
the hospital ward but as there was no-one there they couldn't do
anything for him. I surmised that surely you would call for an
ambulance and take him to hospital. That doesn't make any sense
to me. I saw online where they said he died in a Government Asylum
and that he had no belongings, even the entries above his name had
records saying ....the record against another person saying, "he had $5 or one
pair of trousers". I found that i felt a real connection to this ancestor
because i know what it is like to feel like an outsider in one's own
family and to be shunned because you dare to be different, he was
32 years old. I wanted to write an ancestry story dedicated to those
who came before me, not anything negative. Now i will never
know as the records are closed for 113 years and there are still many years to go.
I wanted to erect a small white cross with his name on it, i contacted the
council, they said it was OK, then i get a letter from the council stating
that it will cost me $145 to do this. I guess the only thing i can do now
is visit the site and leave him some flowers every now and then.
Now for another ancestor, i remember seeing him in the village when
i was a teenager, he was a bit different but through research i found
out that he had been gassed in World War 1, been in a mental hospital
in London, then discharged from the Army. I remember him telling
the family he was related to them and they said NO WAY, funny thing
is that it turns out that he was their Mother's brother, their uncle.
Why do people get so scared of us who are a little different, have our
own opinions and just want to be accepted for who we are.
Searching for another ancestor who states his parents names on his
certificates and official papers, once again the names do not
match up together.
I am beginning to think i am jinxed and have no idea who i really
am or who my family is.
THE SECRETS KEEP COMING.....
My late aunt told me once that a family member of my Mother's
family had spent her life in and out of Kenmore for depression, i
asked my late Mum, she said "that is an absolute lie". I only
wanted to know details because i myself have been a life
long sufferer of Depression, just wanted to know if it ran
in the family.
I now have to go grocery shopping, which i absolutely loathe...
Story continues later and you guessed it MORE FAMILY
SECRETS.
I love that show "Who Do You Think You Are" but in my family
research there are no happy endings, or stories i can write about
or even memoralise. They say you can choose your friends but
not your family.
HOW ABOUT WHEN YOU CANNOT EVEN FIND OUT
WHO YOUR TRUE FAMILY ARE.
I guess i feel a little better having the opportunity to blog about
my disappointment. My american friend told me i would be
disappointed when i told him i was researching my family
history, he was right, I ABSOLUTELY WAS.
Tody i am not sure which ancestor i will look for next but
who knows, maybe there will be disappointment all the way
round.
Here goes....i found out through researching that one of my ancestors
passed away in Kenmore Asylum, where he was admitted five months
before his demise. I had never heard of this person before, i knew
lots about his siblings but not him. I found his unmarked grave and
went there to pay my respects. The family story goes that he was
kicked in the head by a horse and was never the same again.
I find this story highly suspicious, because why would that need
boundless efforts to keep it from people. I have my own thoughs but
of course have no proof. I tried to get access to his records as i wanted
to build up a story about my ancestor, not to say anything negative
about him. They refused as he still has living relatives whom i
know would never give permission to me. I just wanted to know
why he was in Kenmore in the first place. They had an inquest into
his death which in itself sounds fishy. The said they took him to
the hospital ward but as there was no-one there they couldn't do
anything for him. I surmised that surely you would call for an
ambulance and take him to hospital. That doesn't make any sense
to me. I saw online where they said he died in a Government Asylum
and that he had no belongings, even the entries above his name had
records saying ....the record against another person saying, "he had $5 or one
pair of trousers". I found that i felt a real connection to this ancestor
because i know what it is like to feel like an outsider in one's own
family and to be shunned because you dare to be different, he was
32 years old. I wanted to write an ancestry story dedicated to those
who came before me, not anything negative. Now i will never
know as the records are closed for 113 years and there are still many years to go.
I wanted to erect a small white cross with his name on it, i contacted the
council, they said it was OK, then i get a letter from the council stating
that it will cost me $145 to do this. I guess the only thing i can do now
is visit the site and leave him some flowers every now and then.
Now for another ancestor, i remember seeing him in the village when
i was a teenager, he was a bit different but through research i found
out that he had been gassed in World War 1, been in a mental hospital
in London, then discharged from the Army. I remember him telling
the family he was related to them and they said NO WAY, funny thing
is that it turns out that he was their Mother's brother, their uncle.
Why do people get so scared of us who are a little different, have our
own opinions and just want to be accepted for who we are.
Searching for another ancestor who states his parents names on his
certificates and official papers, once again the names do not
match up together.
I am beginning to think i am jinxed and have no idea who i really
am or who my family is.
THE SECRETS KEEP COMING.....
My late aunt told me once that a family member of my Mother's
family had spent her life in and out of Kenmore for depression, i
asked my late Mum, she said "that is an absolute lie". I only
wanted to know details because i myself have been a life
long sufferer of Depression, just wanted to know if it ran
in the family.
I now have to go grocery shopping, which i absolutely loathe...
Story continues later and you guessed it MORE FAMILY
SECRETS.
I love that show "Who Do You Think You Are" but in my family
research there are no happy endings, or stories i can write about
or even memoralise. They say you can choose your friends but
not your family.
HOW ABOUT WHEN YOU CANNOT EVEN FIND OUT
WHO YOUR TRUE FAMILY ARE.
I guess i feel a little better having the opportunity to blog about
my disappointment. My american friend told me i would be
disappointed when i told him i was researching my family
history, he was right, I ABSOLUTELY WAS.
Tody i am not sure which ancestor i will look for next but
who knows, maybe there will be disappointment all the way
round.
The Search Goes On..........
Well today is a new day.....went out and about today, still no luck.
Someone said to me that your information is wrong somewhere, WELL, the information came from my ancestor himself via his certificates.
So there is nowhere to go.
Everything is apparently a secret.....i do not understand how the death certificate can have information about him that cannot be found by anyone else.
So i guess someone knew him and said who he was and gave them the information.
THE END
Someone said to me that your information is wrong somewhere, WELL, the information came from my ancestor himself via his certificates.
So there is nowhere to go.
Everything is apparently a secret.....i do not understand how the death certificate can have information about him that cannot be found by anyone else.
So i guess someone knew him and said who he was and gave them the information.
THE END
Wednesday, June 26, 2013
BUILDING A PROFILE
My Great Grandfather James David CROWLEY emigrates to Melbourne, Victoria, Australia in January 1868.
In 1873 he marries Catherine CAMERON, daughter of Duncan and Flora Buchanan CAMERON.
The have children:
David
James Duncan
Flora
Catherine
Dennis is Killed in First World War
Cornelius
Johanna
In 1888 or 1898 James David CROWLEY disappears.
For 20 years family history researchers have tried to find him.
Finally he is found buried in an unmarked grave in Corowa NSW, with no family, religion or minister, buried by Undertaker Charles Clayton and witnesses James Riley and John Jas Squires.
Still stating that his parents were David Crowley (Farmer) and Catherine Mehegan.
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
So many David CROWLEY's from Cork, Ireland, it is impossible to decide which one he is, as there is still no mention of Catherine Mehegan.
How are these 4 People Related: David and Honnoria Deasy Crowley from Bandon, Cork, Ireland AND David and Catherine Mehegan Crowley from Kilbrittain, Cork, Ireland.
FAMILY MEMBERS SAY YES they are related.
MY THEORY SO FAR IS THIS:
James David CROWLEY was either running from something or someone?????????
Is his name really James David Crowley?
Is he really a family member of David and Honnoria Deasy Crowley?
What is clear is that no-one can for sure say who James David CROWLEY was?????
We know his wife Catherine CAMERON filed for divorce??? was it ever granted??
The court case was in 14 February 1900, James was dead on 23 February 1900.
Stay tuned for the next episode of this saga to find out if i ever get my answers, if you are interested!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happened to his 7 children???????
In 1873 he marries Catherine CAMERON, daughter of Duncan and Flora Buchanan CAMERON.
The have children:
David
James Duncan
Flora
Catherine
Dennis is Killed in First World War
Cornelius
Johanna
In 1888 or 1898 James David CROWLEY disappears.
For 20 years family history researchers have tried to find him.
Finally he is found buried in an unmarked grave in Corowa NSW, with no family, religion or minister, buried by Undertaker Charles Clayton and witnesses James Riley and John Jas Squires.
Still stating that his parents were David Crowley (Farmer) and Catherine Mehegan.
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
So many David CROWLEY's from Cork, Ireland, it is impossible to decide which one he is, as there is still no mention of Catherine Mehegan.
How are these 4 People Related: David and Honnoria Deasy Crowley from Bandon, Cork, Ireland AND David and Catherine Mehegan Crowley from Kilbrittain, Cork, Ireland.
FAMILY MEMBERS SAY YES they are related.
MY THEORY SO FAR IS THIS:
James David CROWLEY was either running from something or someone?????????
Is his name really James David Crowley?
Is he really a family member of David and Honnoria Deasy Crowley?
What is clear is that no-one can for sure say who James David CROWLEY was?????
We know his wife Catherine CAMERON filed for divorce??? was it ever granted??
The court case was in 14 February 1900, James was dead on 23 February 1900.
Stay tuned for the next episode of this saga to find out if i ever get my answers, if you are interested!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happened to his 7 children???????
Family History continues
Well today is a new day, off to the National Library of Australia i go, still searching for my elusive ancestors.
David and Catherine Mehegan CROWLEY where did you go?
A perplexing question about my ancestor James David CROWLEY 1. why would he lie about his age and date of birth on all his official papers, e.g. emigration, marriage and death certificates. 2. Was he running from something or away from someone???
Hmmmmmmmmmm....sounds very suspicious to me.
So i still have no idea about my irish heritage, is James David Crowley even his real name, i am beginning to think he is a total FRAUD. Why is he listed on church records with a birthdate of 1837 with parents David Crowley and Catherine Mehegan.
I know i am missing something vital here but i cannot put my finger on it.
Did people emigrating to Australia have to have any identification papers?
When he married in 1873 in Victoria, Australia, did he have to produce any documentation to prove who he was?
JUST QUESTIONS MORE QUESTIONS and MORE QUESTIONS.
I really feel like giving up, but now i am driven to find out who this person
really is.
His whole life has been a secret, nobody in his family or relatives knew what happened
to him after he deserted his family in 1889 - a wife and 7 children.
On his death certificate he said he had no family just Mother: Catherine Mehegan and Father: David Crowley.
It was only recently (quite by accident) that one of my relatives found out he was buried in Corowa NSW. For years his grandchildren used to relay all sorts of different stories about where he went, but in the end, he only moved a little way away from where he was, when he was married.
Most of the Crowley's who emigrated from County Cork, Ireland seemed to have lead successful and productive lives, James David's occupation when he came to australia was a Labourer and when he died his occupation was still Labourer. All in All a very sad life i should think.
Well i am off for now!!! Going to a little seminar on Looking Up Passenger Lists tomorrow, hopefully i can ask some questions that might help me.
David and Catherine Mehegan CROWLEY where did you go?
A perplexing question about my ancestor James David CROWLEY 1. why would he lie about his age and date of birth on all his official papers, e.g. emigration, marriage and death certificates. 2. Was he running from something or away from someone???
Hmmmmmmmmmm....sounds very suspicious to me.
So i still have no idea about my irish heritage, is James David Crowley even his real name, i am beginning to think he is a total FRAUD. Why is he listed on church records with a birthdate of 1837 with parents David Crowley and Catherine Mehegan.
I know i am missing something vital here but i cannot put my finger on it.
Did people emigrating to Australia have to have any identification papers?
When he married in 1873 in Victoria, Australia, did he have to produce any documentation to prove who he was?
JUST QUESTIONS MORE QUESTIONS and MORE QUESTIONS.
I really feel like giving up, but now i am driven to find out who this person
really is.
His whole life has been a secret, nobody in his family or relatives knew what happened
to him after he deserted his family in 1889 - a wife and 7 children.
On his death certificate he said he had no family just Mother: Catherine Mehegan and Father: David Crowley.
It was only recently (quite by accident) that one of my relatives found out he was buried in Corowa NSW. For years his grandchildren used to relay all sorts of different stories about where he went, but in the end, he only moved a little way away from where he was, when he was married.
Most of the Crowley's who emigrated from County Cork, Ireland seemed to have lead successful and productive lives, James David's occupation when he came to australia was a Labourer and when he died his occupation was still Labourer. All in All a very sad life i should think.
Well i am off for now!!! Going to a little seminar on Looking Up Passenger Lists tomorrow, hopefully i can ask some questions that might help me.
Tuesday, June 25, 2013
still searching
Hi my name is Suz, i am currently searching for my Irish Ancestors with not much luck. So far i have found a marriage date record and the baptism dates of the children of my Ancestors: David Crowley and Catherine Mehegan, but now i have come to a dead end.
My family tell me that we are related to other County Cork Crowley's who emigrated to Australia but i am yet to see the connection.
Could two brothers from the same family have the first name of DAVID?
I really don't know anymore.
The other Crowley's are James and Daniel who married the EGAN sisters from Victoria, Johanna and Catherine and later moved to Trundle NSW.
My great grandfather James David CROWLEY (son of David and Catherine) emigrated to Australia aboard "southern cross" to Melbourne in 1868.
In 1873 he married Catherine CAMERON (daughter of Duncan Cameron and Flora Buchanan). They had 7 children, then James disappeared.
I finally found his death certificate which stated the following:
Died 23 February 1900 in Corowa NSW Hospital
Occupation: Labourer
Age: 47 which is definitely a lie!!!!!
Father: David Crowley (farmer)
Mother: Catherine Mehegan
Place of Marriage: unmarried (he was divorced from Catherine)
Cause of Death: Haemoptysis, Aneurism of Lung
Length of Illness: Years
Buried: New Cemetery Corowa NSW
No Minister or Religion
Undertaker: Charles Clayton with witnesses: James Riley and John Jas Squires
Registered: 26 February 1900
On James David CROWLEY's emigration records he says he is 26, when really he was
31. He was born in Kilbrittain in 1837 according to the Church records.
I presume he is in an unmarked grave. This is my second Ancestor i have found
in an unmarked grave, it saddens me very much, nobody deserves not to have
some commemoration, even if it is just a name on a cross on the grave.
After awhile you get so sick of searching and wonder whether it was really worth looking in the first place.
I only found the marriage date and baptism dates for Catherine and David Crowley and their children through an Irish Genealogist and he said there are no more records so i guess this is the end of the trail, i certainly hope not, but for now it will have to do.
My Grandpa James Duncan CROWLEY (son of James and Catherine) was brought up by his Grandparents (Duncan and Flora Buchanan CAMERON).
I don't really know where to go now with this search!!!!!!!!!!!
My family tell me that we are related to other County Cork Crowley's who emigrated to Australia but i am yet to see the connection.
Could two brothers from the same family have the first name of DAVID?
I really don't know anymore.
The other Crowley's are James and Daniel who married the EGAN sisters from Victoria, Johanna and Catherine and later moved to Trundle NSW.
My great grandfather James David CROWLEY (son of David and Catherine) emigrated to Australia aboard "southern cross" to Melbourne in 1868.
In 1873 he married Catherine CAMERON (daughter of Duncan Cameron and Flora Buchanan). They had 7 children, then James disappeared.
I finally found his death certificate which stated the following:
Died 23 February 1900 in Corowa NSW Hospital
Occupation: Labourer
Age: 47 which is definitely a lie!!!!!
Father: David Crowley (farmer)
Mother: Catherine Mehegan
Place of Marriage: unmarried (he was divorced from Catherine)
Cause of Death: Haemoptysis, Aneurism of Lung
Length of Illness: Years
Buried: New Cemetery Corowa NSW
No Minister or Religion
Undertaker: Charles Clayton with witnesses: James Riley and John Jas Squires
Registered: 26 February 1900
On James David CROWLEY's emigration records he says he is 26, when really he was
31. He was born in Kilbrittain in 1837 according to the Church records.
I presume he is in an unmarked grave. This is my second Ancestor i have found
in an unmarked grave, it saddens me very much, nobody deserves not to have
some commemoration, even if it is just a name on a cross on the grave.
After awhile you get so sick of searching and wonder whether it was really worth looking in the first place.
I only found the marriage date and baptism dates for Catherine and David Crowley and their children through an Irish Genealogist and he said there are no more records so i guess this is the end of the trail, i certainly hope not, but for now it will have to do.
My Grandpa James Duncan CROWLEY (son of James and Catherine) was brought up by his Grandparents (Duncan and Flora Buchanan CAMERON).
I don't really know where to go now with this search!!!!!!!!!!!
Subscribe to:
Comments (Atom)