We have 2 different lines of CROWLEY families in CORK who are supposedly related to each other.
CROWLEY FAMILY NUMBER 1
David Crowley b. 1820 married Honnoria Deasy b. 1820 married (depending on who you want to believe): some say 1830 which would make her 10 years of age - not likely or another stating late 1830's.
Children:
John
David
James
Daniel
Mary
Nora
These are from Timoleague, Bandon CORK and Danganmore.
James and Daniel Crowley emigrated to Australia, the following Relations of theirs
also emigrated:
Daniel aka 'chummie dan'
Daniel aka 'chaffcutter dan'
James aka 'irish jimmy'
Jeremiah who emigrated with james
Jeremiah
Daniel
Timothy
Dennis
James
John
Michael
Margaret - niece of James and Daniel Crowley (Trundle)
CROWLEY FAMILY NUMBER 2
David Crowley married Catherine Mehegan (according to irish church records)
1829 Ballymodan, Cork, Ireland by Rev. Taylor with witnesses Flore Sullivan and Cors Mehegan.
baptism of their children:
Johanna 1832
- 1835
James David 1837
David 1840
Daniel 1843
Cornelius 1847
Dennis 1853
all with parents David and Catherine Mehegan CROWLEY
James David CROWLEY papers said he was born in 1843 Kilbrittain, Ireland, to David and Catherine Mehegan CROWLEY - NO SUCH PERSON EXISTS
The only record to be found is James David CROWLEY being born in 1837 to the
above parents.
The letter: Daniel aka "chummie dan" wrote to James Crowley who was living in Bundalong via Yarrawonga Victoria in 1885. James David Crowley and Catherine Cameron were living there also in Yarrawonga.
Daniel was informing him cousin Jeremiah and Richard had arrived from Ireland.
He asked after James, Mrs and David (i assume that was his son who was 2 years old), Daniel (who was unmarried at the time, but later married in 1885 in Yarrawonga).
JD and Mrs and Family, Mr and Mrs Egan and Mr O'Brien.
NOW THE LEADING QUESTION:
are these two families related.
why can't catherine mehegan crowley be found.
did Catherine and David Crowley emigrate.
why is one family so secretive, the other open like a book.
David and Honnoria Deasy CROWLEY - david's father: David Crowley
David and Catherine Mehegan CROWLEY - david's father: David Crowley
Daniel aka "chummie dan" CROWLEY - his father David Crowley b. 1844
Denis
Timothy
Daniel aka 'chaffcutter dan' - parents: David and Kitty CROWLEY, Ireland
MY GREAT GRANDPA James David Crowley married Catherine Cameron
30 September 1873 in James's House in Wallan Wallan, Victoria by Rev. Muir
Presbyterian Minister.
James deserts his family in 1889. His wife Catherine petitions twice for divorce but both times the Judge refuses. James David Crowley is dead 1 week later after her last attempt on 14 February 1900.
James David Crowley himself admits to maltreating Catherine, womanisting, going to New Zealand, had a woman in Melbourne and one stashed away close by his farm in Yarrawonga, where he lived with Catherine and his children. Catherine stated he disappeared for long periods of time without saying where he was going or where he went, admitted to visiting Chinese Camps, offered Catherine 50 pounds to go away.
NOT AN ANCESTOR YOU WANT TO ADMIRE ON YOUR FAMILY TREE.
I just want to learn more about my Irish Heritage, i don't care anything about him.
I feel very sorry for his children, What an SOB he was.
James David CROWLEY dies 23 February 1900 in Corowa Hospital from aneurism to the Lung, is buried the next day by the Undertaker Charles Clayton and 2 witnesses, i would assume he is in an unmarked grave. The informant was the matron of the hospital, it stated he was 47....how funny ha ha is that, he had no children, never married, no religion.........ARE YOU ALLOWED TO SWEAR ON THIS BLOG, I GUESS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There really is nothing more to learn. I don't know anything about my Irish Heritage, i guess i don't really have any.
My family tree ends with my GRANDPA James Duncan CROWLEY whose father was James David Crowley, he was brought up by his Cameron Grandparents in Beaconsfield, according to him. He never spoke of his parents.
Someone said Catherine Cameron came to "Victoria Park"once, must have been a long time ago. She died in 1949 in Sydney as Mrs Hillman. She got remarried three more times according to me, but relatives swear black and blue it was only two, who knows and who really cares.
NOT ME.
THE END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wednesday, August 7, 2013
Tuesday, August 6, 2013
OFF TO THE NATIONAL LIBRARY AGAIN CHASING THESE ELUSIVE ANCESTORS
I cannot understand why there are no records of James David CROWLEY being born in 1843 in Kilbrittain Ireland and no trace of who he states his parents were.
QUESTION OF THE DAY?
My family say we are related to the CROWLEYs of Trundle, NSW, Australia.
I cannot find the connection.
I can find all the records for those crowleys and all their close relatives who emigrated to Australia.
These CROWLEYs have most of the traits of my family. Some of the members of the family look similar to my crowley uncles, you could see that probably are related.
MY THEORY HAS BEEN THIS FOR AWHILE but because i have no proof, i don't know whether or not i am off on a wild tangent.
IS THIS BELEIVEABLE: James David Crowley is really one of the Crowley's from Trundle, NSW, and he was brought up by his Grandparents?
Some vital information is missing, how could one possibly find all the records for the so called CROWLEY relatives, but not James David Crowley.
Marriage Certificate says he was 30 when he married which would make him born 1843. He said his father David Crowley was a farmer.
I think this will definitely be my last visit to the National Library, i have tried everywhere.
Whatever the truth is, and for whatever reason, what James David Crowley stated and the truth, are two different stories.
Maybe i will find something tomorrow that i have overlooked in the past.
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QUESTION OF THE DAY?
My family say we are related to the CROWLEYs of Trundle, NSW, Australia.
I cannot find the connection.
I can find all the records for those crowleys and all their close relatives who emigrated to Australia.
These CROWLEYs have most of the traits of my family. Some of the members of the family look similar to my crowley uncles, you could see that probably are related.
MY THEORY HAS BEEN THIS FOR AWHILE but because i have no proof, i don't know whether or not i am off on a wild tangent.
IS THIS BELEIVEABLE: James David Crowley is really one of the Crowley's from Trundle, NSW, and he was brought up by his Grandparents?
Some vital information is missing, how could one possibly find all the records for the so called CROWLEY relatives, but not James David Crowley.
Marriage Certificate says he was 30 when he married which would make him born 1843. He said his father David Crowley was a farmer.
I think this will definitely be my last visit to the National Library, i have tried everywhere.
Whatever the truth is, and for whatever reason, what James David Crowley stated and the truth, are two different stories.
Maybe i will find something tomorrow that i have overlooked in the past.
The search goes ONNNNNNNNNNNNNN and ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN and ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Monday, August 5, 2013
BACK TO THE CROWLEY FAMILY FOR ANOTHER LOOK
Several things puzzle me about my CROWLEY Ancestry:
* why can't i find any other information other than a marriage certificate and a death certificate. do i have the right certificates???? good question!!!!!
* why all the secrecy within families, why can't we just share information and try and get the true picture of who these people are.
* why can i only find a marriage church RECORD of the supposed parents of James David CROWLEY and church records of baptism dates for their children?
* after that it is like they disappeared off the face of the earth?
* why is it so difficult to find out what happened to James David Crowley and Catherine Cameron's children, where did they go?
* who are David CROWLEY and Catherine MEHEGAN? how do we find out anything else about them, would be nice to get a picture of one's ancestors.
* did David and Catherine Mehegan CROWLEY emigrate somewhere??
Why is it so easy to find out all the information about the CROWLEYs who are supposedly relatives of James David CROWLEY (my ancestor) who emigrated to australia. I have lots of information on the relatives.
Did James David Crowley go to New Zealand for a time!!!!
What sort of a man deserts his family, especially his children and at the end of his life denies they ever existed. It is hard to understand what kind of a person he really was when you cannot find out anything about him. What was Catherine Cameron like as a person?
So many unanswered questions, is it possible that i will ever be able to find anything out.
Why did all the other supposed relatives live in Bandon, Ireland and James David Crowley came from Kilbrittain, Ireland. Do these two places have a similar culture, or are they vastly different.
Most of the supposed relatives who emigrated to Australia did very well for themselves. I saw on my ancestors marriage certificate he was a Miner and on his death certificate he was a Labourer. He emigrated to Australia saying on his papers that he was a Labourer.
Are we really related to the CROWLEY families of Trundle NSW, i find that very hard to imagine, because they seem to be completely different people. Devout in faith, community service orientated, made successful lives for themselves, their children were very well educated, had successful lives, other relatives seem to have been successful too. Hard to imagine that my ancestor is related to these CROWLEYs, i cannot see it, i hate to say this BUT if it is true then he must have been from the poor relation family, just a thought, but i consider a very valid one. Most relatives except for a couple seemed to stay married and be family orientated.
What i have learnt about my ancestor James David CROWLEY so far is that he was a womaniser, probably a drunk, mistreated his wife and family. I just do not know anymore. One of his sons, my grandpa lived with his CAMERON grandparents in Beaconsfield, Victoria, but he never talked about his own parents. Someone told me that his mother came to "Victoria Park" once to visit her son, but i do not know whether that is true.
All i know is, that someone in the family knows more than they are willing to tell.
Who knows what i will be blogging about next.
Would be wonderful if i could say i have made a breakthrough!!!!!!!!!!!!
* why can't i find any other information other than a marriage certificate and a death certificate. do i have the right certificates???? good question!!!!!
* why all the secrecy within families, why can't we just share information and try and get the true picture of who these people are.
* why can i only find a marriage church RECORD of the supposed parents of James David CROWLEY and church records of baptism dates for their children?
* after that it is like they disappeared off the face of the earth?
* why is it so difficult to find out what happened to James David Crowley and Catherine Cameron's children, where did they go?
* who are David CROWLEY and Catherine MEHEGAN? how do we find out anything else about them, would be nice to get a picture of one's ancestors.
* did David and Catherine Mehegan CROWLEY emigrate somewhere??
Why is it so easy to find out all the information about the CROWLEYs who are supposedly relatives of James David CROWLEY (my ancestor) who emigrated to australia. I have lots of information on the relatives.
Did James David Crowley go to New Zealand for a time!!!!
What sort of a man deserts his family, especially his children and at the end of his life denies they ever existed. It is hard to understand what kind of a person he really was when you cannot find out anything about him. What was Catherine Cameron like as a person?
So many unanswered questions, is it possible that i will ever be able to find anything out.
Why did all the other supposed relatives live in Bandon, Ireland and James David Crowley came from Kilbrittain, Ireland. Do these two places have a similar culture, or are they vastly different.
Most of the supposed relatives who emigrated to Australia did very well for themselves. I saw on my ancestors marriage certificate he was a Miner and on his death certificate he was a Labourer. He emigrated to Australia saying on his papers that he was a Labourer.
Are we really related to the CROWLEY families of Trundle NSW, i find that very hard to imagine, because they seem to be completely different people. Devout in faith, community service orientated, made successful lives for themselves, their children were very well educated, had successful lives, other relatives seem to have been successful too. Hard to imagine that my ancestor is related to these CROWLEYs, i cannot see it, i hate to say this BUT if it is true then he must have been from the poor relation family, just a thought, but i consider a very valid one. Most relatives except for a couple seemed to stay married and be family orientated.
What i have learnt about my ancestor James David CROWLEY so far is that he was a womaniser, probably a drunk, mistreated his wife and family. I just do not know anymore. One of his sons, my grandpa lived with his CAMERON grandparents in Beaconsfield, Victoria, but he never talked about his own parents. Someone told me that his mother came to "Victoria Park" once to visit her son, but i do not know whether that is true.
All i know is, that someone in the family knows more than they are willing to tell.
Who knows what i will be blogging about next.
Would be wonderful if i could say i have made a breakthrough!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thursday, August 1, 2013
MOVING ONTO MY NEXT ANCESTOR - THE LAST ONE GOT DEMOTED FROM THE TREE
My other great grandfather was William Williams who lived to the grand old age of 100 years, what an achievement. He was born in Ipswich, Suffolk County, England in 1838 to Edward and Jane Bett WILLIAMS, who i am searching for.
William emigrated to Australia in 1865 on board the ship "Wellesley" and arrived in Melbourne Australia. He worked around Victoria for a few years then moved to Kyeamba Creek, near Wagga Wagga, where he secured some land. He was never afraid of hard work and had a successful life. I don' really know what kind of a man he was, but i think an honest, hard working, good friend to those he knew and trusted. In 1874 he married Miss Louisa Glover, from the district, who was the daughter of ex-convict John Glover from Kent England, who became a very well respected person in the district.
John was transported, got 7 years for stealing fowls, from Maidstone Gaol, Kent, England. From what i have read he seemed to have learnt the error of his way and ended up not getting into trouble again, here in Australia.
He arrived aboard the ship "Henry Tanner" and was assigned to Mr Leahy near Camden, NSW. He met and married Mary Lennon, who was an "irish famine refugee" from Galway, Ireland. Mary's parents were Michael Lennon and Bridget Conroy, from Galway, Ireland.
William and MaryAnn Glover set up home on their farm and raised their 10 children. One of those was my grandpa Ernest Alfred Williams, a quiet man, emotionally very distant, probably only said hello and goodbye to you. I recall when we used to visit him every year for Christmas for a few days, at 7pm on the dot, he would watch the news on Television, you were allowed to sit in the room with him, but not allowed to speak one word...and i mean not one.
My great grandpa William apparently was very well liked in the district and nothing was ever to much trouble for him. My impression is that he was a kind man, worked hard his whole life, devoted to his wife and family.
One of his sons Frederick and wife Louisa Kendall, were married for over 75 years. Fred died six weeks short of his 100th birthday. It seems kind of unbelieveable that people could be married for that long, they must have been devoted to each other. They also had 10 children. I read that Fred was good with his hands and made wooden furniture. They spent their last years at Greenlodge in Temora NSW. What an inspirational couple they must have been to their family.
William Williams passed away 1938, his 100th year.
I have been trying to trace his parents Edward and Jane Bett, but no luck so far.
The difficulty seems to set in when you try to find the Great Great Grandparents, it aint so easy then.
I found a great website: Carol Baxter, who is a writer and genealogist. I used some of her suggestions and it made everything a lot more easier to find and a lot less frustrating, after awhile you begin to think that your ancestors were frauds or something.
When William Williams turned 100 years, over 200 friends and relatives turned out for his party, what a turn out, what a guy he must have been. I like this man, i can have great admiration for him. He seems too perfect, but i am sure he had some flaws but he certainly did not desert his family.
MORE TO COME LATER
William emigrated to Australia in 1865 on board the ship "Wellesley" and arrived in Melbourne Australia. He worked around Victoria for a few years then moved to Kyeamba Creek, near Wagga Wagga, where he secured some land. He was never afraid of hard work and had a successful life. I don' really know what kind of a man he was, but i think an honest, hard working, good friend to those he knew and trusted. In 1874 he married Miss Louisa Glover, from the district, who was the daughter of ex-convict John Glover from Kent England, who became a very well respected person in the district.
John was transported, got 7 years for stealing fowls, from Maidstone Gaol, Kent, England. From what i have read he seemed to have learnt the error of his way and ended up not getting into trouble again, here in Australia.
He arrived aboard the ship "Henry Tanner" and was assigned to Mr Leahy near Camden, NSW. He met and married Mary Lennon, who was an "irish famine refugee" from Galway, Ireland. Mary's parents were Michael Lennon and Bridget Conroy, from Galway, Ireland.
William and MaryAnn Glover set up home on their farm and raised their 10 children. One of those was my grandpa Ernest Alfred Williams, a quiet man, emotionally very distant, probably only said hello and goodbye to you. I recall when we used to visit him every year for Christmas for a few days, at 7pm on the dot, he would watch the news on Television, you were allowed to sit in the room with him, but not allowed to speak one word...and i mean not one.
My great grandpa William apparently was very well liked in the district and nothing was ever to much trouble for him. My impression is that he was a kind man, worked hard his whole life, devoted to his wife and family.
One of his sons Frederick and wife Louisa Kendall, were married for over 75 years. Fred died six weeks short of his 100th birthday. It seems kind of unbelieveable that people could be married for that long, they must have been devoted to each other. They also had 10 children. I read that Fred was good with his hands and made wooden furniture. They spent their last years at Greenlodge in Temora NSW. What an inspirational couple they must have been to their family.
William Williams passed away 1938, his 100th year.
I have been trying to trace his parents Edward and Jane Bett, but no luck so far.
The difficulty seems to set in when you try to find the Great Great Grandparents, it aint so easy then.
I found a great website: Carol Baxter, who is a writer and genealogist. I used some of her suggestions and it made everything a lot more easier to find and a lot less frustrating, after awhile you begin to think that your ancestors were frauds or something.
When William Williams turned 100 years, over 200 friends and relatives turned out for his party, what a turn out, what a guy he must have been. I like this man, i can have great admiration for him. He seems too perfect, but i am sure he had some flaws but he certainly did not desert his family.
MORE TO COME LATER
Thursday, July 25, 2013
JAMES DAVID CROWLEY and CATHERINE CAMERON
This is my new focus in my family research. James David Crowley states on his papers that his parents are David Crowley and Catherine Mehegan. I have exhausted every avenue in trying to find a link to them even to the point of putting an advertisment in an Irish Newspaper to which i had a couple of replies but nothing worked out.
I don't know what is the big secret about trying to find out about the CROWLEY family.
I know James Crowley emigrated to australia in 1868
Married Catherine Cameron in 1873
Read the newspaper reports of Divorce proceedings
I know where James is buried and when he died
The dates to when he was born are conflicting - some say 1843 others say 1837.
There are Irish Church Records for James David Crowley being baptised in November 1837 to David Crowley and Catherine Mehegan.
On his death certificate he stated he had never been married nor had any children.
He stated that his parents were David Crowley and Catherine Mehegan.
Some of my Crowley relatives have been to Ireland and could find nothing.
I am just interested in knowing what kind of a person my great grandfather James Crowley was. My grandpa James Duncan told me that he grew up with his
CAMERON Grandparents in Beaconsfield, Victoria.
I don't really know where to start looking anymore.
Maybe Yarrawonga where he and Catherine lived. I doubt Corowa NSW would have anything on him - that is where he died.
Have to rethink where i look next.
Suz
I don't know what is the big secret about trying to find out about the CROWLEY family.
I know James Crowley emigrated to australia in 1868
Married Catherine Cameron in 1873
Read the newspaper reports of Divorce proceedings
I know where James is buried and when he died
The dates to when he was born are conflicting - some say 1843 others say 1837.
There are Irish Church Records for James David Crowley being baptised in November 1837 to David Crowley and Catherine Mehegan.
On his death certificate he stated he had never been married nor had any children.
He stated that his parents were David Crowley and Catherine Mehegan.
Some of my Crowley relatives have been to Ireland and could find nothing.
I am just interested in knowing what kind of a person my great grandfather James Crowley was. My grandpa James Duncan told me that he grew up with his
CAMERON Grandparents in Beaconsfield, Victoria.
I don't really know where to start looking anymore.
Maybe Yarrawonga where he and Catherine lived. I doubt Corowa NSW would have anything on him - that is where he died.
Have to rethink where i look next.
Suz
Sunday, July 21, 2013
END OF THE ROAD
Well i have searched exhaustively for many years...BUT STILL NOTHING....this is all i am left with:
James David CROWLEY born in 1837, Kilbrittain, Ireland, to parents David and Catherine Mehegan CROWLEY. His papers state he was born in 1843. Which is truth and which is NOT.
The only James David CROWLEY i could find born to Catherine and David Mehegan CROWLEY was a church record saying he was baptised in November 1837.
There is a Daniel CROWLEY in the same family baptised in May 1843 and David CROWLEY baptised 11 November 1840.
Somewhere along the line the records are wrong.
Well i did try. I can find a record of Catherine Mehegan and David CROWLEY who were married in 1829, in Ireland, but when i try to connect the children up to these parents they come up with other parents.
I will never know who James David CROWLEY really was or if that is even his real name. A search of him with birthdate 1843 just put him with other parents.
Enough is Enough!!!!!!
I started this journey hoping to find something out about my family heritage, it was all a waste of time and i am left exactly with what i started with.
Suzanne
James David CROWLEY born in 1837, Kilbrittain, Ireland, to parents David and Catherine Mehegan CROWLEY. His papers state he was born in 1843. Which is truth and which is NOT.
The only James David CROWLEY i could find born to Catherine and David Mehegan CROWLEY was a church record saying he was baptised in November 1837.
There is a Daniel CROWLEY in the same family baptised in May 1843 and David CROWLEY baptised 11 November 1840.
Somewhere along the line the records are wrong.
Well i did try. I can find a record of Catherine Mehegan and David CROWLEY who were married in 1829, in Ireland, but when i try to connect the children up to these parents they come up with other parents.
I will never know who James David CROWLEY really was or if that is even his real name. A search of him with birthdate 1843 just put him with other parents.
Enough is Enough!!!!!!
I started this journey hoping to find something out about my family heritage, it was all a waste of time and i am left exactly with what i started with.
Suzanne
Friday, July 19, 2013
Remember that song...The Beat Goes On......Well, this is "The Search Goes On"
I wish i knew what i was doing wrong, i had a good idea, i put an advertisement in an Irish Newspaper, one person replied to me, gave me some good tips and even did a little searching for me, i was very grateful. The dates seem to match OK, but when i go to put them together......ZILCH............one good thing did happen though, i finally found 1 record of David Crowley being the spouse of Catherine Mehegan. BUT...when i go to look for records on their children, there are always with different parents, cannot find one person whose parents are David Crowley and Catherine Mehegan, SO, no further ahead. They tell me to keep searching for the sponors of the baptism of children, that will lead me somewhere...BUT, a dead end again.
The problem i keep having is that no-one has parents DAVID CROWLEY and CATHERINE MEHEGAN.
I don't know what to do next!!!!!!
Someone gave me a record....Baptism of Catherine Mehegan in 1809 with parents Thad Mehegan and Joanna Quinlan but do you think i can find them, holy hell NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
What am i missing.
Well i cannot see what is wrong or where to go next.
Why can't i find records for the following:
James David CROWLEY and Catherine CAMERON
Found David Crowley christened in 1876 at Saint Malachy's Church Nagambie, Victoria but nothing for his siblings.
Later
The problem i keep having is that no-one has parents DAVID CROWLEY and CATHERINE MEHEGAN.
I don't know what to do next!!!!!!
Someone gave me a record....Baptism of Catherine Mehegan in 1809 with parents Thad Mehegan and Joanna Quinlan but do you think i can find them, holy hell NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
What am i missing.
Well i cannot see what is wrong or where to go next.
Why can't i find records for the following:
James David CROWLEY and Catherine CAMERON
Found David Crowley christened in 1876 at Saint Malachy's Church Nagambie, Victoria but nothing for his siblings.
Later
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